Comments on: Mission: Fight and Win Wars http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2009/01/15/mission-fight-and-win-wars/ A website for LGBT folks who support marriage as the union of husband and wife—and getting the gay leadership to return to more pressing LGBT issues for our community. Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:49:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: roger http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2009/01/15/mission-fight-and-win-wars/#comment-2140 roger Tue, 20 Jan 2009 07:12:17 +0000 http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/?p=122#comment-2140 Gays should be allowed to serve openly in the Military when Men and Women are allowed to shower together. Gays should be allowed to serve openly in the Military when Men and Women are allowed to shower together.

]]> By: Mark Barton http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2009/01/15/mission-fight-and-win-wars/#comment-2020 Mark Barton Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:22:26 +0000 http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/?p=122#comment-2020 DB: "Uh, who said anything about Paul Cameron? By experts, I mean generals and other military brass." Err, like I just finished saying, uniformed military were citing Cameron in various reports and statements. That tells you, in case it wasn't already obvious, that the people who were supposed to be experts were in fact clueless on the subject. DB: “Uh, who said anything about Paul Cameron? By experts, I mean generals and other military brass.”

Err, like I just finished saying, uniformed military were citing Cameron in various reports and statements. That tells you, in case it wasn’t already obvious, that the people who were supposed to be experts were in fact clueless on the subject.

]]> By: David Benkof http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2009/01/15/mission-fight-and-win-wars/#comment-2019 David Benkof Fri, 16 Jan 2009 17:21:04 +0000 http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/?p=122#comment-2019 Uh, who said anything about Paul Cameron? By experts, I mean generals and other military brass. For example Colin Powell was very important in convincing people to support DADT. If the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff comes out and supports lifting DADT, that should have a major impact on Congress and the President. Uh, who said anything about Paul Cameron? By experts, I mean generals and other military brass. For example Colin Powell was very important in convincing people to support DADT. If the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff comes out and supports lifting DADT, that should have a major impact on Congress and the President.

]]> By: Mark Barton http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/2009/01/15/mission-fight-and-win-wars/#comment-2018 Mark Barton Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:12:25 +0000 http://www.gaysdefendmarriage.com/?p=122#comment-2018 DB: "To be clear, I would like to see gays and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces, but only _when_ the experts determine it won’t undermine the military mission" [MB's emphasis] You're ludicrously too charitable. Your statement presumes that there was a time in the past when actual experts decided that gays in the military _would_ undermine the military mission. When DADT was being thrashed out, the anti-gay "experts" from the actual uniformed military were citing Paul Cameron for crying out loud. Cameron started off as a legit psychologist but later went completely lunatic. His gay-related research is the worse nonsense, and he's been cashiered from the APA and reprimanded in federal court for misrepresenting evidence. Anyone who cites him isn't an expert, they're a clueless hack. DB: “To be clear, I would like to see gays and lesbians serving openly in the armed forces, but only _when_ the experts determine it won’t undermine the military mission” [MB's emphasis]

You’re ludicrously too charitable. Your statement presumes that there was a time in the past when actual experts decided that gays in the military _would_ undermine the military mission. When DADT was being thrashed out, the anti-gay “experts” from the actual uniformed military were citing Paul Cameron for crying out loud. Cameron started off as a legit psychologist but later went completely lunatic. His gay-related research is the worse nonsense, and he’s been cashiered from the APA and reprimanded in federal court for misrepresenting evidence. Anyone who cites him isn’t an expert, they’re a clueless hack.

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